Nail Notes--July 2006


July 6, 2006

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Bessemer and Lake Erie Hubbard  by Lee Brewer

 

This was found in a pole at an intersection on the back roads of NW PA around 1999 while hunting along the "Bessemer and Lake Erie" tracks. The pole was old and had some glass insulators still on it (I was primarily hunting these!). Unfortunately I never found another. The 57 probably represents the year, and the 30 would most likely be the height of the pole...or a sequence number. To read more about the Bessemer and Lake Erie check this link out:  http://www.lundsten.dk/railfan_pa/ble/ 

 http://facstaff.uindy.edu/~oaks/NailNotes/B&LE.jpg

 

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The odd nail on the Northern Pacific.  Nobody seems to know what company made this 1917 type (40) nail, at least I have never read of any attribution to a particular manufacturer.  But it is certainly an odd nail.  There are many variations (see scan for some) and they almost have the appearance of being a hand struck nail, but they are not.  Why it took so many different dies and the fact that it was used by a major Class One railroad and no one knows who made it makes this mystery nail even odder!
 
Does anyone have further information on this nail?
rolland@rollandmeyers.com
 
 

http://facstaff.uindy.edu/~oaks/NailNotes/1917(40)NPVARIETIES.jpg

 

 

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Oddities in Pole Nails by Scott Weed

 

The strangest thing about these nails is the fact that totally different companies used a copper Hubbard nail, then went  to a flat indent nail....and then back to a Hubbard nail, and each year the nails are very similiar. Though there are no known GE1931 or LB1930 being pulled.......I like to believe they are out there waiting to be pulled.  I recall seeing a HW1929 Hubbard nail in a nailers collection, but cannot remember who's collection.

 

 

1929 Hubbard

·                     GE (Galveston Electric)

·                     Long Bell

·                     Texas Creosote

 

 

1930 Potosi Type

·                     Texas Creosote

·                     GE (Galveston Electric)

 

1931 Hubbard

·                     Texas Creosote

·                     Long Bell

 

 http://facstaff.uindy.edu/~oaks/NailNotes/question.jpg

 

The above nails have always been a point of curiosity for me. What are the GE nails? They probably belong to the "Galveston-Houston Electric Railway" which was an Interurban line which ran from downtown Houston to Galveston from 1911 to 1936. To the best of my knowledge most of these nails came from a street that runs north to south right by downtown Houston and through the  Medical Center. For an interesting article check out this link: http://www.tamug.tamu.edu/rrmuseum/RAILROADS.htm Another interesting point...do the TC nails belong to the Texas Creosote Company? If so, it is odd there were 2 completely different nails used in 1929.

 

 

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Large Girard Hubbard by Lee Brewer

 

In the town of Girard, PA, my friend Dave Heise and I were once walking
while looking for insulators.  I walked by a telephone pole and a Girard
nail was just about falling out of the side of it (1998 or 1999).  I reached
for it and it about fell into my hands.  I wondered what someone had pounded
a large headed nail into the pole for - I was thinking to hang a garage sale
sign up or something like this.  I then saw what it said.  This was the
first I had ever noticed a Hubbard nail of any sort.  We kept walking and
found another.  We decided, after getting back to the car, to cruise the
small town and see how many more we could find.  After cruising the whole
town (a couple of times - slowly - its a small town!), we found a total of
4.  I went back there a few more times to see if we had missed any of them
and have never uncovered another.  I have even looked to try to find where
they might have taken all of the old poles (a lot were replaced and I
suspected this is why we found no more of the nails) and discarded them, but
I was unable to locate them.  I have yet to understand why a small town like
Girard would want to have Hubbard make a die for them since it has
always been such a small town.  This is probably one of the unsolvable mysteries we
will never know the answer to!

 

http://nailhunter.ehost.com/hubbards.htm


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Here is an interesting item that was on ebay recently. It didn't sell, but I thought it was a unique item. The seller said it appeared to be an OLD Lake Shore(Michigan Southern??)Railroad Yard Date Spike.Meas. approx. 8 1/4"L and top pad meas. approx. 4 1/4" across.Features cast aluminum top with embossed 38(year?)and embossed LAKE SHORE on bottom.Spike is cast metal. Check out the pictures:

 

http://facstaff.uindy.edu/~oaks/NailNotes/53_12.jpg

http://facstaff.uindy.edu/~oaks/NailNotes/b9_3.jpg

 

 

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If you have any questions, stories, or pictures...Please email me at nailnotes@sbcglobal.net or Rolland Meyers at rolland@rollandmeyers.com

 

Thanks, Scott



Here is an update for the Summer Nail Show.

SUMMER DATE NAIL SHOW IN PERRY , IOWA

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DATES: AUGUST 4-5, 2006 (FRIDAY AND SATURDAY).

LOCATION: ELKS LODGE - PERRY, IOWA. 150 MILES EAST OF OMAHA – 40 MILES FROM DES MOINES

ACCOMODATIONS: SUPER 8 MOTEL (1-800-8000) OR (515-465-5653) Call for reservations

HOTEL PATTEE (515-465-3511)

THERE ARE ALSO ACCOMODATIONS IN GRIMES AND BOONE, IA

Americinn Lodge & Suites Grimes, IA 515-986-9900

AmeriHost Inn & Suites Boone, IA 515-432-8168

SHOW HOST AND CHAIRMAN: LARRY HARVEY SHIRLELARY@PRAIRIENET.NET

 

Map for Perry, Iowa ====>  http://maps.yahoo.com/maps_result?addr=elks+lodge&csz=perry%2C+iowa&country=us&new=1&name=&qty=

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Extra currulicular activities

There will be some flyers with information for a train trip to the Boone & Scenic Valley RR station on Thursday or Saturday available at the show.

 

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and finally and interesting note from Bill Bunch on the Lake Shore spike auction on ebay:

Scott:

the Lake Shore item... looks to me to be some kind of boundry marker. I have seen a number of these with company logos... Coca Cola, etc.. They all seem to have a similar back. It might be some sort of surveying marker also. Lake shore & Michigan Southern RR as long merged into the NYC by 1938. Probably was the maufacturer's name. Lake shore Foundry or something like that..

Bill



Nail Notes--August 2006

August 9 , 2006

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THE NEXT TIME YOU GET A 1960 (12) 2 ½ X ¼ ROUND RAISED NAIL LOOK AT THE SHANK.  THE McCLOUD RIVER RAILROAD OF NORTHERN CALIFORNIA USED THE 1958-1960 TYPE (12) NAILS.  BUT UNLIKE THE DESCRIPTION IN THE BOOKS, THE SHANK MARKINGS ARE THE SAME FOR ALL THREE YEARS.  WHEREAS THE SHANK MARKINGS FOR THE 1960 (12) NAIL USED BY PACIFIC GAS & ELECTRIC CO, ALSO OF NORTHERN CALIFORNIA DOES USE THE NAIL WITH THE SHANK MARKINGS SHOWN IN THE BOOKS.   ANOTHER WAY THE TWO NAILS ARE DISTINGUISHED IS BY THE HEAD SIZE.THE 58-60 USED BY THE NcCLOUD HAVE A SMALL HEAD,  THE 59 AND 60 USED BY PG&E HAVE A MUCH BIGGER, FLATTER HEAD.   

http://facstaff.uindy.edu/~oaks/NailNotes/McCloudPGE.jpg
http://facstaff.uindy.edu/~oaks/NailNotes/McCloudPGEshanks.jpg

 

 

 

                                         ROLLAND A. MEYERS-rolland@rollandmeyers.com

 

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This is in response to an article in July's Nail Notes on an auction that was on Ebay for an "Old Lake Shore Spike":

 

In response to Bill Bunch's identification of the Lake Shore spike.  Bill is pretty close when he says it is a survey marker.  It is in fact a lot corner marker for a cemetery plot.  If you would do an Internet seach for "Cemetery Lot Markers" you will find several companies that make these.  Below is a link to one such company.
 
 
Jerry Penry

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On July 13 while hunting nails on the Great Northern Line that once ran from Butte to Helena Montana we came across an L9 nail. We found it at the bottom of a 300 foot slope on the north side of tunnel #9. We also got 19 other Great Northern Letter Nails and 14 nails from 06 to 09. This is probably the only L9 that has been found on the Great Northern in the last 20 years.

Charles & Cheryl Johnson

http://facstaff.uindy.edu/~oaks/NailNotes/Bernice.jpg
 http://facstaff.uindy.edu/~oaks/NailNotes/BerniceL9.jpg

 http://facstaff.uindy.edu/~oaks/NailNotes/BerniceShank2.jpg
http://facstaff.uindy.edu/~oaks/NailNotes/BerniceL9intie.jpg

 

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A BLATENT PLUG HERE FOR A COUPLE OF NAILS I AM LOOKING FOR TO FINISH OFF PART OF MY DUQUESNE LIGHT COMPANY SET (PITTSBURGH PA AREA).  THESE ARE THE 1” ALUMINUM HUBBARDS.  IN THE DLCO HEIGHT NAILS I NEED THE 60 AND IN THE YEAR NAILS I AM LOOKING FOR THE 80, 83, 85, 86 AND 87.  IF YOU HAVE ANY OF THESE I HOPE I CAN FIND SOMETHING TO TRADE FOR THEM.  THANKS.                   ROLLAND A. MEYERS  rolland@rollandmeyers.com

 

http://nailhunter.ehost.com/DUQUESNE.jpg

 

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check out these interesting links:

http://www.trainweb.org/mccloudrails/

http://www.mccloudriverrailroad.com/

http://www.gnrhs.org/index.htm

 

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This next link is a small article about the LONG BELL LUMBER COMPANY. I am really interested in the History of these particular nails, more so since I found out I share the same last name with the founder! Abner Weed.

 

http://nailhunter.ehost.com/lbhistory.htm

 

 

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If you have any questions, stories, or pictures...Please email me at nailnotes@sbcglobal.net or Rolland Meyers at rolland@rollandmeyers.com

 

Thanks, Scott




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